Monday, 1 February 2010
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Wary said...
With a small reservation - thumbs up!
John Chingford said...
I have just read an interesting article from
"GotQuestions" which puts a slightly different slant on the topic
"preached to the spirits in prison". See
http://www.gotquestions.org/where-was-Jesus.html
They suggest that the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 were the fallen angels mentioned in Jude. If this is true then when Jesus cried out "it is finished" it was a declaration (preached to?) to those fallen angels (which are now imprisoned) of the victory.
This does make sense if we consider Colossians 2:14-15
"having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it."
So Jesus triumphed over all forces of wickedness and all enemies to the soul which separate us from God or eternal life. This would have included the declaration against the fallen angels.
Having stated this, I don't know if they are correct or not. The point of mentioning it is because it is further evidence of how wrong Word Faith are in their interpretation of that verse "preached to the spirits in prison". There are far better SCRIPTURAL explanations.
They suggest that the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 were the fallen angels mentioned in Jude. If this is true then when Jesus cried out "it is finished" it was a declaration (preached to?) to those fallen angels (which are now imprisoned) of the victory.
This does make sense if we consider Colossians 2:14-15
"having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it."
So Jesus triumphed over all forces of wickedness and all enemies to the soul which separate us from God or eternal life. This would have included the declaration against the fallen angels.
Having stated this, I don't know if they are correct or not. The point of mentioning it is because it is further evidence of how wrong Word Faith are in their interpretation of that verse "preached to the spirits in prison". There are far better SCRIPTURAL explanations.
John Chingford said...
I was asked a question which came from another
angle. This was my answer.
Jesus did NOT spend 3 days in Hell.
First consider that no-one has been to Hell yet. It is a place in the future which was provisionally reserved for Satan and his demons. Those who died (before Jesus died) were in a "place of dead souls" called hades (translated as hell). Hades was made up in two sections.
The righteous are in a place Jesus called "Abrahams Bosom" and "paradise".
The unrighteous are imprisoned. The original manuscripts use other words that have been translated as "hell". For example "sheol". Sheol actually can be translated as "grave". The NIV version of 1984 actually uses the word "grave".
However, all the major translations mention the word "soul" as being in the grave or hades rather than the word "body". This makes it a little more confusing.
However, if you consider that in Jewish thinking (re psalm 16, where Acts 2 is quoted from) the soul is not a separate entity to the body. In the garden of Eden, it was the "spirit" that died, not the "soul".
In Jesus, it is our "spirit" that has been made alive again, not our souls. To be born-again we experience our soul being saved (the whole of us, body and soul) and our dead spirit being made alive, with the Holy Spirit indwelling us.
On the cross the mere body of Jesus (not The Son of God) died. We know this because Jesus said "into your hands I commit my spirit" God CANNOT die, the Trinity (or Godhead) cannot die.
The Word became flesh. On the cross the "flesh" died which includes the soul which is part/parcel of the body. It is intrinsically linked, cannot be divided. However, THE SON OF GOD (the spirit of Jesus) cannot die, but went to the Father
So the body and soul of the MAN Jesus went to the grave - NOT Hell.
Anyway, where do the demons live at the moment? Are they in hell or as Ephesians 6 tell us "in the spiritual realm in the air"?
So Jesus was not tormented by demons in hell (because that would be to deny many other scripture passages).
Hallelujah, God indeed did not leave Jesus in the grave but raised Him up on the 3rd day.
Jesus did NOT spend 3 days in Hell.
First consider that no-one has been to Hell yet. It is a place in the future which was provisionally reserved for Satan and his demons. Those who died (before Jesus died) were in a "place of dead souls" called hades (translated as hell). Hades was made up in two sections.
The righteous are in a place Jesus called "Abrahams Bosom" and "paradise".
The unrighteous are imprisoned. The original manuscripts use other words that have been translated as "hell". For example "sheol". Sheol actually can be translated as "grave". The NIV version of 1984 actually uses the word "grave".
However, all the major translations mention the word "soul" as being in the grave or hades rather than the word "body". This makes it a little more confusing.
However, if you consider that in Jewish thinking (re psalm 16, where Acts 2 is quoted from) the soul is not a separate entity to the body. In the garden of Eden, it was the "spirit" that died, not the "soul".
In Jesus, it is our "spirit" that has been made alive again, not our souls. To be born-again we experience our soul being saved (the whole of us, body and soul) and our dead spirit being made alive, with the Holy Spirit indwelling us.
On the cross the mere body of Jesus (not The Son of God) died. We know this because Jesus said "into your hands I commit my spirit" God CANNOT die, the Trinity (or Godhead) cannot die.
The Word became flesh. On the cross the "flesh" died which includes the soul which is part/parcel of the body. It is intrinsically linked, cannot be divided. However, THE SON OF GOD (the spirit of Jesus) cannot die, but went to the Father
So the body and soul of the MAN Jesus went to the grave - NOT Hell.
Anyway, where do the demons live at the moment? Are they in hell or as Ephesians 6 tell us "in the spiritual realm in the air"?
So Jesus was not tormented by demons in hell (because that would be to deny many other scripture passages).
Hallelujah, God indeed did not leave Jesus in the grave but raised Him up on the 3rd day.
John Chingford said...
Just to clarify: The Godhead CANNOT die or be
divided. "The Lord Our God is ONE" ie always completely and
beautifully united, FATHER, SON And HOLY SPIRIT. For those who say the Son of
God went to hell they are preaching blasphemy.
As stated, it was the body/human soul of Jesus that went to the grave. The real essence of the Son of God (the Spirit of Jesus) was received back to the Father. "into your hands I commit my spirit".
In Jewish thinking the body/soul cannot be separated. The soul is not the same as the spirit. The soul is part of the body. In Genesis it says that man became a living soul, ie the body was alive.
I am sure we all disagree that the body and soul are the same thing, but the psalmist may not have fully understood to what extent the soul is separate from the body.
By the way, a separation of body and soul was brought in by the Greek philosophers.
The point I am making is that just because it says "He will not leave 'my soul' in hades", does not necessarily mean "soul" in the way we NOW understand it. It was simply saying that the human body of Jesus was dead in the grave.
As stated, it was the body/human soul of Jesus that went to the grave. The real essence of the Son of God (the Spirit of Jesus) was received back to the Father. "into your hands I commit my spirit".
In Jewish thinking the body/soul cannot be separated. The soul is not the same as the spirit. The soul is part of the body. In Genesis it says that man became a living soul, ie the body was alive.
I am sure we all disagree that the body and soul are the same thing, but the psalmist may not have fully understood to what extent the soul is separate from the body.
By the way, a separation of body and soul was brought in by the Greek philosophers.
The point I am making is that just because it says "He will not leave 'my soul' in hades", does not necessarily mean "soul" in the way we NOW understand it. It was simply saying that the human body of Jesus was dead in the grave.
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